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עפ 4456/14 אביגדור קלנר נ' מדינת ישראל - חלק 614

29 דצמבר 2015
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Definitely do not remember it. It must have been a significant amount of money, but I don’t remember it.

Q: When you say "significant", how—how much do you—how much money you estimate it was?

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A: I can't say it, but it wasn't a few thousand shekels. It was not – it was more than that, definitely

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Q: …I'm sitting over here, and I'm – it's troubling to me to listen to you at one moment have absolutely no recollection of any dealings with Mr. Dechner but for a 6,000$ contribution back in 1996, and then conveniently overlooking the fact that you might have received upwards of a half million shekels from him in the heart of your problems. It causes us a little pause here as to why you're being entirely forthright.

A: I'm absolutely entirely forthright, and if I don’t remember immediately something and then I come back to it, it's only because I'm trying to dig into my memory and to be sure that I remember everything and not to skip on any information, and never said that I got half a million from Mr. Dechner. I didn’t say that.

Q: You said hundreds of thousands is your best recollection.

A: I didn’t say that, either. I said it wasn't –

MS. BARAK: Significant – you said significant.

THE WITNESS: Significant, yeah, but I don't remember it was half a million shekels. That I didn’t say at any time. I don't remember. I didn't say it, so I'm just repeating what I said.

MR. MCGOVERN: What do our records ass up to haw much money he –

MS. BARAK: We know about half a million shekels.

MR. MCGOVERN: Okay. So there we go.

THE WITNESS: But – Okay. I – you don't show me the records. I don't debate it. I said I don't remember it. And I am trying to dig into my memory and to remember all this, as you ask me, and therefore, if I come back a little bit later to an answer, it's only because I really work hard to make sure that I give you only the honest and the most truthful answers"

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A:…about Mr. Dechner, it took me a little while to remember it. I remember it. I accept what you said, I mean, up to the point that I agreed. I don't remember the exact figures and all this" (ת/ 736א עמ' 200 ש' 22-2; עמ' 213 ש' 2 – עמ' 214 .[ההדגשות הוספו - ס.ג'.] (ש' 18; עמ' 242 ש' 17-13

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